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Arie Trouw is the co-founder and CEO of XYO and of its parent company XY Labs, based in San Diego.
A software developer since childhood, he began programming in 1978 on a TRS-80 and later studied computer science at the University of Cincinnati and the New York Institute of Technology, where he earned a bachelor's degree. Before XY Labs he was CEO and chairman of Pike Holdings. He founded XY in 2012, initially building Bluetooth and GPS item trackers under the name XY, the Findables Company.
In 2017 and 2018 he and Markus Levin launched the XYO Network, a decentralized oracle network for location and other real-world data, along with the XYO token. XY Labs also ran a Regulation A share offering that drew more than 24,000 shareholders. Trouw serves as the architect of XYO's technology and also holds chairman and other officer roles across the XY group and the XYO Foundation. In September 2025 he led the launch of XYO Layer One, a data-focused blockchain, and its XL1 token.
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Latest interview · Nov 5, 2026How XYO is building proof in a world of AI fakesWatch the episode →
Key points
- OpenAI and Meta acknowledge no tool can catch every AI fake, making deepfake detection fundamentally a volume problem rather than a technical one.
- XYO proposes decentralized third-party witnesses through its 10 million device network as a solution to verify real-world data and prove authenticity.
- Society determines shared reality through trusted witnesses and consensus, similar to how courts operate, rather than mathematical proof of truth.
- AI watermarking by companies like OpenAI and Anthropic cannot be enforced on bad actors, requiring alternative approaches to verification.
- Decentralized sovereign observation of reality addresses conflicts of interest inherent when entities record their own actions or data.
In their own words
“The only way for us not to have AI fakes is to not have AI, and I don't think that trade-off is worth it.”
“Can't is not negotiable, whereas won't is negotiable or potentially fallible.”
“The blockchain should do what it's good at, and you use traditional technologies for what they're good at.”
“We want decentralized and sovereign third-party observation of reality.”
Every appearance on Crypto Coin Show
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36:39Arie Trouw in the news
- XYO taps Autonomys to store machine data while Layer One proves its originSep 29, 2026
- AI Doesn’t Need Another Promise. It Needs Something It Can’t BreakSep 14, 2026
- Gate AI and XYO Explore AI-Powered Crypto Cards Verified on XYO Layer OneSep 1, 2026
- Bitcoin Still Standing. DeFi Got Drained, Vercel Got Breached, Hormuz Went Haywire.Apr 20, 2026
- XYO Layer One Gets Faster, Stronger, and Ready for What’s NextApr 14, 2026
