Oleg Fomenko / Sweat Economy
Sweatcoin launches in the USA with move-to-earn crypto rewards
In this episode
Ashton Addison speaks with Oleg Fomenko, Co-Founder of Sweat Economy, on the Move2Earn industry, how to exercise and earn crypto at the same time, the launch of Sweatcoin In the USA, and the SweatHero NFT launch.
- Sweatcoin launched in the USA after a governance vote by 380,000 users, with over 300,000 Americans opting in on day one to convert past activity to crypto.
- The app requires only a smartphone and legs, is free to download, uses minimal battery, and does not monetize user data due to European GDPR compliance.
- Sweat Economy chose the NEAR blockchain after years of evaluating alternatives because previous blockchains like Bitcoin and Ethereum were too slow and expensive for microtransactions.
- Users can earn cryptocurrency rewards for steps taken, with the app tracking and verifying physical activity over nine years of development and millions of users.
- The move-to-earn model addresses human nature's tendency to conserve calories by providing instant gratification through cryptocurrency rewards for everyday physical activity.
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I'm Ashton Addison and today on the crypto coin show we have Oleg Fomenko co-founder of swep economy Oleg welcome to the show and thank you for taking the time thank you very much for having me here Ashton very welcome I'm I'm excited to dive into move to earn and just getting fit you know some especially when you're in blockchain you get stuck on the computer I feel like everybody's
getting stuck on the computer a little bit too long nowadays and it's important to exercise but also if there's incentives to do so that's great as well so I would love to dive into sweat economy the recent launch of the application but let's kick it off from the top I know that you have a history in building exercise and tech apps to do with sweat as well this
isn't the first one so you have quite a history of it I'd love to hear a little bit of your story leading up to sweat economy and then we'll dive into the latest details great question Ashton I'll probably start with saying say that I looked at the coin for the first time in 2011 but I was really really not terribly clever because I got hooked on technology and read white paper and you
know kind of few Publications that were around I did not buy few thousand of them and they were only 20 cents each but you know I've been told that there are plenty of people like that around so you know I'm not feeling terribly bad about it MH but then fast forward to 2014 and we started having conversations with my co-founders about the question why aren't we as physically active
as we want to be and everyone would start sort of citing motivation money time energy you know everyone's got sort of explanation why they cannot go to the gym as many times as they want to or why they don't go for a run in the morning and what we realized very quickly was that the issue in the culprit is none of those things the issue is nature nature did not build us to be active nature
build us to survive which means preserve calories as opposed to spend them and unless there is a very very good reason to spend those calories we would simply sit around the fire and we would run there as Mammoth showed up because then it's food we try to kill it to preserve you know kind of to have some calories for the tribe or we would run if say the TR tiger is about to make food
out of us you know then we'll be just you know saving ourselves MH in all other circumstances we wouldn't be you know kind we wouldn't be moving we wouldn't be doing pull-ups push-ups you know kind of looking good wasn't of particular value we continue doing this right now but food comes in abundance calories are everywhere but nature build us in such a robust way that you know we
continue sitting around unless you really do a lot of hard work MH but what we all also realized that nature gives us a suggestion how to tackle this problem and how to make it work and the answer is instant gratification so we thought H what if we create a new gratification for every single step you take how would that impact behavior and we sweatcoin as name suggests we wanted it to be on
blockchain already back in 2014 but we quickly realized that Bitcoin and blockchain which was the only blockchain in existence was too slow too cumbersome too expensive to build on and we thought okay we'll just hold fire and we're going to jump on the next project that comes along we spoke to vitalic in 2015 we wanted to build an ethereum but again also was too early we launched
centralized and we thought well within six months a year there bound to be something launching every year we would do an analysis of blockchain tech and every year the answer would be no our business would not be able to survive if you were to move onto this or that project until last year when we discovered near I mean to be fair we looked at more than a dozen different projects
because all of a sudden there was a lot of really fast technology alaran salana BNB polygon you know you name it they just sort of came out of w workor pretty much at the same time but we chosen near and we launch September last year in many geographies outside of the US and as soon as we launched we have 25 more than 25 million users in the us on sweatcoin our web to health and fitness
application and they started you know asking question why the rest of the world is able to work into crypto and we have to continue playing the centralized point system s coin and you know more volume of this post we were receiving the more we were realizing that actually it probably was a mistake not to include the United States and we started doing a lot of digging a lot of research
into what is possible how is it possible for us to go live and we made the decision that you know what it is absolutely absolutely essential because our users were not happy our outside of the US made a governance vote with 380,000 people casting their vote which is by far the biggest web three governance vote ever basically giving green light to the US launch and allocating a budget for it
and we effectively you know kind of had to do it and yesterday we pushed the button and more than 300,000 Americans have opted in to participate in the lunch it doesn't mean that they you know kind others can join no no no no but these are the people that had significant s coin IM balances and what they managed to do yesterday was to convert their past physical activity that is embodied in
sweat coin decentralized points and they were able to convert them into sweat and they got a you know kind of significant amount effectively in consideration for the past calories burned but if you're interested in this idea and you want to literally walk into crypto you can do it right now in s sweatcoin opt into crypto and your steps going forward will be convertible into SWAT MH wow
very cool and you know the market for this is huge you know these all these athletic companies they say our Market is anybody who moves their body which is mostly everybody you know and you have to have smartphone and you have to have legs these are the only requirements that we have unlike a lot of move to earn projects who are not charging you at the door for some nft
you know it's really really straightforward free apps they don't consume your you know kind of much of your battery so why wouldn't you I mean really the opportunity cost is zero so a lot of our users they join because they kind of go what they pay me to work how is that possible you what's going on here they come in and they kind of realize that yes it worked these guys don't sell
data that's extremely important because a lot of people especially I know that in the US it's very typical that businesses would monetize data we don't we are based in Europe data is stored in Europe we're subject to gdpr which is the most Draconian privacy protecting framework legal framework in the world and we also philosophically we don't believe that data is ours to share or to
sell very cool and I like the progression into something like the near blockchain where I feel like these exercise applications they're really all about you know microtransactions or like say you only take a couple steps and you want to get one or two coins maybe it's only a few cents at the time before with Bitcoin and ethereum you know any transaction cost even
if you want to buy a coffee you know it's going to be a couple dollars to transact a few cents for a couple dollars is obviously not worth it but now with the advancement of blockchain Technology and the better interactivity and just the user interface really not having to have to understand especially with near I know they don't even have the hexadecimal addresses it's just like you know
Oleg Flamenco do near like it's the wallet is simple even if you get to the technical side I'm sure it isn't that technical but the beauty is that you're able to slowly earn small amounts of money for doing things that you were already going to do anyway and I would love to sort of get a walkthrough from your perspective of how exactly does it work when you go for a walk
so you open up the sweat economy app and then you either walk or run and then you earn a certain amount of coins is there thresholds or how exactly does that work okay so the entry point is or remains sweat coin our original health and fitness app and you know you'd be in a very good company that app has more than 200 million install ations and you can find it on both App Store and
Google Play and over the last n years and you millions and millions of users we've perfected tracking of your steps but also which is extremely important verification of the steps because as you can imagine as soon as you start paying for steps a lot of people immediately try to shake the phone put the phone on a dog and let it run in the park or put it on top of a dishwasher you know while
it's shaking you name it we have it there is a actually very funny website called unfit bits.com that teaches you how to screw with your phone and wearable into believing that you're physically active we had to deal with all of those use cases and then many more so we track verify your movement and if it's genuine then we issue you with sweat coins at the rate of 1,000 steps
to one or if you opted into crypto and you want to earn sweat which is our crypto token instead of sweat coins then you will be needing to walk more and more and more in real time in order to me the next sweat for example at the moment you need to walk 4 and a half thousand steps in order to mean one sweat one year ago we started one with 1,000 and we have this constantly Rising step value we
call it step value curve of sweat and the reason why we designed it this way is twofold reason one is that makes you realize that walking earlier and more is a very very good idea and basically you get better return on your movement and the reason two is that ensures that over time monetary Supply inflation approaches zero so while it's uncapped the inflation over time approaches zero and if you
couple it with all of those Burns that Community have voted on because we generate quite a lot of Revenue and revenue in sweat simply goes into voting Revenue in tokens half of our profits we use to buy tokens on the open market and those those again go into votes and Community voted already multiple times to burn those tokens so tightening Supply Plus Burns means that we already
in July this year managed to become a deflationary project so our token economics in web 2 that would be analogous to being profitable so circulating Supply at the end of the month is lower than at the beginning of the month which is a pretty in credible achievement and not many projects in web 3 can claim this you know ethereum was deflationary for about 6 months last month it fell
out and I think was somewhat inflationary so it is a big big big challenge to actually achieve this especially in move to ear that a lot of people you know think that is by definition is not possible to making the sustainable economy mhm H and with I with the app you know already have 25 million users I feel like that's if you can get all of these onboarded into web 3 you know that's it's
a huge Market because 25 million I have a feeling you guys aren't going to stop there you know you could probably have hundreds of millions of people if the incentives are aligned and you know if everyone gets on board with this but one thing to note I feel like is maybe the people that need the most attention to their Health are also sort of not very Tech friendly especially when it
comes to blockchain as well you know maybe it's elderly or people that have you know they don't really use their phone a lot yeah do you see a gap in the market for helping those in need but also really they're not very Tech friendly and how would you solve that Gap great question I mean having such a huge user base we of course have been catering to a lot of different segments not
just very technology and crypto Savvy people and what we've learned over the last nine years is how to build an incredibly good user experience that is simple straightforward does not require you to be a rocket scientist and we've practiced on sweatcoin and now with our non-custodial wallet sweat wallet we also bring quite a lot of innovation and really we to ux Simplicity into
what is typically extremely complex ux for example you don't have to you know take down 24 words in phrase when you're activating your sweat wallet you do not have encounters with hoddle Biddle finality and staking and other terminology that typical user would not really know what this means and for us it's very natural to put these words into text and you know into our conversation but
if person who is not really to Crypton native and who's not been educated over a long period of time that pushes them away because if you don't understand words that people are using that means that you know this is not your game you don't want to come in so we really spend a lot of time solving this problem and we know that what wallet is having very very high ratings I mean
you can go and see for yourself in app store and Google Play you know people really like it because it makes them able to literally walk into crypto without having them feel that they have to learn the science of operational security and the other thing that we really focused on and we solved for users which is the major barrier for Mass market adoption of web 3 is the fact that users who tried
before and failed they even if they Master 24 word SE traces and stuff then the next step was always plot credit cards and buy crypto and if God forbid they were doing it on ethereum then the amounts of money that they actually needed to put in order to start learning the ropes would be in hundreds of dollars or you know can you really couldn't make sense of many things without spending at
least a grand or two right because if transactions were like $80 to $200 you know even a thousand wouldn't get you very far and they are not ready to do this they are not ready to put money first and then learn later they want to learn first they want to take few steps they want to understand how everything works and that is exactly what we're giving them we're giving them an opportunity to
move One Foot In Front Of Another they feel that their steps have value which means that they're more physically active so they're burning more calories they are fitter healthier they're going to live longer and in addition they're acquiring some crypto assets that allow them to experience transactions sending and receiving staking or we call them grow jars so you know they understand
how it all works then they go and they engage with learn and earn so they get lessons you know what is blockchain how does it work what do coin so basic questions that you know for us are obvious but for these people you know they need answers and in addition to acquiring this knowledge they're getting paid which is pretty incredible proposition if you think about it so
they constantly thinking what's going to be my next thing what I'm going to engage in we're now rolling sweat hero which is our sort of free nft game that allows you to battle with other people by walking on the screen I'm not going to give you all the details but if you want you can get a sneak preview on YouTube there are few videos out there that explain how the game works we're also
introducing trading we're introducing a lot of different functionality that basically makes your physical activity tokenized into more valuable asset than just tokenized physical activity M and I'll finish with the thought that you know what we're really building is not just a you know a dab with a token we have a vision of building movement economy think of it as an attention
economy that by some estimates is7 trillion where you give your attention to Google or Facebook they sell it to third parties advertisers they return some value to you in the shape of a free product or free service right we believe that movement economy can be done better I give physical activity and I benefit as well because I will live longer I am fitter I'm healthier I'm in a better
mood I'm more productive I put less pressure on Health Care Systems around the world there are other parties that are willing to pay for it insurers Health Care Providers employers countries ultimately because if you're physically active you're going to live longer you're going to pay more taxes it's pretty good business so we believe that movement economy certainly has potential of
being even bigger than a tension economy and the tension economy s x the whole crypto what stays in the way of building this quickly is toize physical activity because otherwise we need to invent this convoluted ways of you giving physical activity us giving you free product and if you notice Google Facebook and a lot of other businesses they haven't given us fully loaded
value of attention otherwise they wouldn't be called big teag they wouldn't be monsters as they right now they've taken full value of attention and they've given us this much back with movement economy it's got to be different it's got to be all the value that physical activity is worth should be going to people who are Physically Active because that's going to persuade you
to be more active that is going to create more wealth and value for everybody and we're happy to basically be the guarantor that no gaming no faking no cheating is entering into this system wow very interesting o leg and I'm glad that you mentioned that part about the game and nfts I feel like a lot of people that are just getting into crypto if they are getting their first coins
through an app like like like sweatcoin you know even if in the past I've sent some Bitcoin or ethereum to some people and it's their first coins but they're really not in the system they don't really understand okay what do I actually do with this it's now it's just sitting in my wallet you know I guess I'll just hold it for years to come because I really don't know what to do are
the next steps I feel like having those little easy on boardings of hey you can use it here or maybe we're partnering with these big companies you can use your coins to get some Fitness apparel or something like that I feel like a partnership with like Nike or Adidas would be a huge Advantage for you guys in the future I'm curious about specifically Fitness Brands and big
companies is are those kind of Partnerships in the works I cannot possibly confirm or deny but one thing that I would do is I would point you to sweat hero because if you open the tab in sweat wallet you will actually see the of basic nft that you will receive and we call them legs you know it's an avatar that is you know because we're all about steps we're all about legs and we
build this really really cool looking you know massive collection of legs that of course are dressed in various different attire and they wear different shoes and all of them are unique so that represents a really really interesting partnership opportunity not at the level of fungible tokens but at the level of actual visual you know kind of representation of Brands and products for millions
of our users I like your train of thought and you know I'm sure that we'll see that but I'm just not going to jump into committing to a brand and the time slot definitely I feel like I could put two and two together and how that could work with the nfts so I'm going to take a look at the sweat hero and look into that and see if I can collect some beforehand so with the
application I guess people can just get it on Android and an iPhone on their phones and then you open up store type sweat sweat coin is going to be at the top you open the app you find a banner that says walk into crypto follow prompts and you'll end up in installing sweat wallet so sweatcoin is a health and fitness step tracker and the sweat wallet is the non-custodial Mobile
Wallet application that manages your sweat the reason why they are twoo separate is because they very very different one is effectively Shin Tech it's like a banking app and another one is health and fitness application at pedometer with sort of massive additional functionality when we discussed with users combining it they were like bank with pedometer or pedometer with a
bank yeah know I think that in the future it will become you know kind of widely accepted and we will probably bring them together at the moment it feels a lot more natural to keep them separate yeah very cool well I can leave the links to those in the notes show the show notes below o like as well I'm looking forward to all these future updates that you mentioned
for sweat economy and I'll be following along I'll also leave the socials to the platforms in the description below and thank you so much for thank you very much ason thank you very much for having me and you know in conclusion I'll just say you know let's make the world more physically active we've been at it for nine years and actually we're quite different crypto
project because we are using crypto to accomplish that goal and objective and it motivates a lot of people as opposed to being in crypto because we want to be in crypto so yeah let's walk CTO [Music] together
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